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[其他周边评测] 最准确的【马丁吉他变化史】

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发表于 2017-7-23 12:47:49 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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本帖最后由 jeffrey624 于 2017-7-23 19:09 编辑

以前看到琴友发过一篇日本语的马丁变化史,其实有些不准确,经过努力,无意间在网上找到了更为准确的马丁吉他自1920年开始到2000年后的构造改变史,包括用料的改变等,本人英语极差,翻译软件也不准,因此复制上来分享同时请英语水平高的朋友帮忙翻译,感谢!!


Martin Summary Timeline.(马丁吉他总结时间表)



1920's Martin transitions away from pyramid long bridge to standard long bridge on 18 & 28 series. Happens gradually starting in the early 1920's. 17 series either never had pyramid bridge or transitioned earlier.

1922-1923, Martin makes guitars for Wurlitzer. Some lack Martin Serial #'s or markings of any kind.

1929 18+ series Martins fully switched over to nitro cellulose laquer finish. Transition started in 1926 with O-17H according to Longworth.

1929 Martin switches from rectangle to belly bridge

1930 Oct, first time size & model number stamped on neckblock. Happens sometime after serial number 439xx and before or at 44362.

1932 Some 17 series models transition to 14 frets clear of body & non slothead.

1934 Most models switch to 14 fret clear of body and non slothead. Sometime around here Martin starts putting the Matin decal on the front of the peghead. For a short period of time they continue to stamp the back of the peghead as well.

1934 Martin ends their use of bar frets on most models. (Most other guitar makers had done so around the end of the 19th century.) Martin Hawaiian style guitars retain bar frets until at least 1938.

1938 D-18 #71539 has the rear-shifted X-brace with no popsicle brace

1938 change to rear-shifted X-brace

1939 D-28 #71968 has the rear-shifted X-brace with no popsicle brace

1939 D-18 #72618 and has a 1 & 3/4 nut with no popsicle brace

1939 D-18 #72702 has 1 & 3/4 inch nut WITH popsicle brace. Heel block on this one stamped 23 May 1939

1939 switch to narrow necks (1 & 11/16ths) at serial #72740 for 000 and D models.

1939 The #1 brace, inside near the neck block changes from 5/16ths of an inch wide to 1/2 inch wide, making it roughly twice as wide.

1944 last scalloped brace guitar was approximately #89926. Though some models have been seen after this number with scalloped braces, and before this number with tapered braces.

1945 Either Adirondack Red Spruce or Sitka for tops

1946 Sitka spruce used exclusively on the tops

1947 Last Herringbone D-28 #98233 in 1947

1947 Kluson deluxe tuners appear

1948 Sealed Kluson tuners appear

1953 "magic" spruce? Luthier Dana Bourgeois did an interview with C. F. Martin III in 1984. The interview was in preparation for an article by Eric Schoenberg and Bob Green on the history of the OM model and was published in the March 1985 issue of Guitar Player. Bourgeois was asked to sit in on the interview, and in the last two paragraphs of his recollections especially interesting: "One footnote that I do remember distinctly is that Mr. Martin said that in '52 or '53 the Martin Co. bought a large supply of Engelmann spruce in the form of government surplus of building material. Though he preferred Red Spruce, it was no longer available after the mid-40s because all of the large stands had been decimated. Mr. Martin would have liked to switch from Sitka to Engelmann because he felt that Engelmann was closer to Red Adirondack Spruce than Sitka was. He could not, however, find anyone who was cutting Engelmann commercially, so they went back to Sitka." This nugget of information caught my attention because for many years I Of course, aside from the color of the tops, the anecdote does not in itself prove anything. But it at least suggests how the story might have gotten started.

1958 Style D28 gets Grover rotomatic tuners

1964 (summer) - It's generally accepted that hide glue was replaced with aliphatic resin (titebond) after the move to the new Martin facility. (But hide glue was still used until the mid-seventies for gluing tops and backs.)

1965 Grover rotomatic tuners on all D size models.

1965 Martin switches to short drop-in saddle (On D-18's, likely others as well)

1966 Boltaron binding started. White replaced ivoroid and black replaced tortoise.

1967 Black acetate pickguards first used. Replace tortoise colored celluloid

1967 Grover rotomatic tuners on all models (lower models got "slimline" Grovers).

1968 rosewood bridgeplates on all guitars #235586.

1969 rosewood bridgeplates are larger on "D" guitars #242454

1969 Brazillian rosewood is replaced by Indian. The first Indian guitars were four D-28's ser# 243644-47. The change in regular production may have started with #254498, though I've also heard that the number varied by model number, possibly as follows:
D21 #254498
D12-45 #255037
D41 #255717
D45 #256266
There have been two documented 1970 Brazilian rosewood D-28's, which are anomalies. The first one was #265783, which was retopped with red spruce in 1993. The second one is serial number 265941. There are several D-35's with mixed woods in the 3-piece back. Like D-35 #258962, which has a Brazilian rosewood center wedge in the back. Note some post-1969 Martins have some Brazilian rosewood, in the bridge, bridgeplate, fingerboard, or peghead veneer.


1972 Starting in 1972 Martin includes cases in the base price of most/all of their guitars. Prior to this they cost extra, and thus you'll see many different cases with Martins before this time. It is possible that the thermoplastic cases were the first ones Martin offered as part of the base price as they were first offered around this time.

1985 Martin finishes phasing in adjustable truss rods.

1988 Maple bridgeplates on all guitars #478093 (This entry from 1988 Longworth pages 57-58)

2000 HD28LSV changed top wood & braces from Adirondack spruce to Sitka spruce after serial number 737277. This happened in May of 2000.

2001 first use of Micarta fingerboards and bridges on standard production 16 Series GT models

2003 Martin converts from glued in to drop in long saddles. Happens before serail # 942xxx Glued in saddles have square/straight ends, dropin have rounded.

2003 Martin starts producing guitar necks with "wings". Basically The pegheads have wood splices on the portions that stick out. This is not easily visible from the front due to the peghead veneer. As with many other changes, this one is made to preserve dwindling wood supplies. In this case Mahogany.

2005 Martin switches to bone nuts and saddles on many models. 2005 Martin starts using Spanish Ceder in many necks rather then Mahogany.


Martin Serial Numbers(马丁吉他序列号)

All Martin guitars since 1898 (except solidbody electrics from the 1970s, basses, and tiples) are numbered in consecutive order. Ukuleles do not have serial numbers. Mandolins use a different serial number system than guitars. Martin guitar serial numbers start at 8000 in 1898 because Martin estimated they made 8000 instruments before 1898.Model Numbers stamped above the Serial Number starting in 1930.
Starting in October 1930, Martin also stamped the model number just above the serial number. Martin model numbers are straight forward too. The first set of characters are the body size. Next there is a "-". The last set of numbers are the ornamention style.
For example, "OO-28" stamped above the serial number tells use the body is "OO" size (14 5/16" wide for a 14 fret model, 14 1/8" wide for a 12 fret model), and the ornamention style is "28" (rosewood body, ice cream cone style neck).

Left: The model and serial numbers, as seen through the sound hole on the neck block of this 1950 D-28. Prior to October 1930, the model is NOT stamped on the neck block (you have to figure it out yourself!).
Right: The model and serial numbers, as seen through the sound hole of this 1944 D-18, serial number 90067. Notice the "1" in the "18" does somewhat look like a "2". This confuses a lot of people who think their style 18 guitar is a style 28. Also the "D" is sometimes confused for an "0".


    On round hole martin guitars, the serial and model numbers are stamped on the neck block inside the instrument. The number can be seen by looking inside the sound hole. Look at an angle towards the neck. All f-hole Martin archtops have their serial and model numbers stamped on the inside center of the backstripe, roughly under the shadow of the bridge (and best seen from the bass side "f" hole). The numbers listed here show the LAST serial number produced for that year. Martin produced all guitar serial number sequentially. These serial number apply to all Martin guitars, flat top and arch top. It does not apply to ukes (except for the first year, they do not have a serial number). Does not apply to Martin mandolins either (they have their own serial number system).

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Important Serial Number Milestones.
439xx to 44362: October 1930 first time both the body size & style number stamped on neckblock above the serial number (exact serial number change unknown).
57305 = T frets first used and T bar first used (1934)
59044-61181 = Martin stamp in back of peghead discontinued (1935)
72740 = Change in nut width on 14-fret 000 and D models from 1 3/4" to 1 11/16" (late 1939), non-slotted peghead models. Style 17 models with 14-fret body may have changed earlier.
80585 = Ebony neck reinforcement started to be implemented during WW2 (1942)
83107 = Last pre-WW2 style 45 guitar (1942).
89926 = According to Martin, this is the approximate last scalloped braced guitar made (late 1944). Though some models have been seen after this number with scalloped braces, and before this number with tapered braces. (For example #90014 appears to be the last D28 with scalloped braces, and D-28 #88112 had tapered braces.)
90021 = Snowflakes on D28 discontinued (1944). This is an approximate serial#.
98223 = Last style 28 guitar made with Herringbone trim (early 1947).
99992-100240 = Last style 28 guitars made with a "zipper back" center seam (mid 1947).
196228 = Last guitar made at North street factory June 25, 1964. (First day at new factory July 6, 1964)
197207 = Bridge pin holes moved back 1/16" (1964).
200601 = short saddle bridge (1965).
205251 = 102C Grover machines on all "D" guitars (1965).
211040 = Boltaron bindings on D-28 and D-35 (1966).
212100 = Boltaron bindings on D-18 (1966).
213775 = Boltaron rosettes (1966).
215253 = New tape strips on sides (1966).
216736 = Bridge pin holes moved to center (1966).
217215 = Tortoise guards discontinued (1966).
220467 = Last hand stamped serial/model numbers (1967).
224079 = Kluson K324 tuners on all style 18 models (1967).
226969 = Grover v100 tuners on all 0,00,000 models (1967).
228246 = Square truss rod bar on D models (1967).
235586 = Rosewood bridgeplates on all guitars (1968).
242454 = Larger rosewood bridgeplates on all guitars (1969).
254497 = Last style 28 guitar made with Brazilian rosewood (late 1969).
254498 = East Indian rosewood introduced (1969, a model D-21).
255717 = First D-41 model with Indian Roseood.
256366 = First D-45 model with Indian Rosewood.
350287 = Plastic saddles on D-18 models (1975).
355357 = Plastic saddles on D-28 models (1975).
360970-365831 = Rosewood vertical sidestrips (1975).
370976 = Micarta nuts and saddles (1975).
447004 = Self-adhesive pickguard trial (1984).
447501 = Last glued-down pickguard in regular production (1984).
453181 = Adjustable truss rods gradually implemented (1985).
478093 = Maple bridgeplates on all guitars (1988).
737277 = Last HD-28LSV with an Adirondack top (2000). Sitka spruce was used in regular production thereafter.

发表于 2017-7-23 17:11:24 | 显示全部楼层
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好文章!即使看不懂也前来混眼熟
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发表于 2017-7-23 18:49:01 来自吉他中國手机版 | 显示全部楼层
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大鼻仔 发表于 2017-7-23 17:11
好文章!即使看不懂也前来混眼熟
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发表于 2017-7-24 07:44:37 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
不知道LZ的信息源自何处。
我大致看了一下,信息内容有些零散,马丁至今已有184年(1833-2017)的历史,其中每一个系列,每一个型号都可以分别写出一大段内容出来。

如果真的有兴趣了解马丁的历史和各种型号演变历程,技术数据等内容可以去买这两本书看看:

特别是第二本A technical Reference,里面对每一个型号都有很深的阐述,比如说:

1916年 D型琴诞生
1931年 D型正式被马丁采纳
1933年 第一支D-45诞生 (12品,为Gene Autry设计制作)
1934年 第一支14品D型琴诞生
...

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-7-24 08:41:59 来自吉他中國手机版 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jeffrey624 于 2017-7-24 11:46 编辑
MaxMeng 发表于 2017-7-24 07:44
不知道LZ的信息源自何处。
我大致看了一下,信息内容有些零散,马丁至今已有184年(1833-2017)的历史,其中 ...

谢谢朋友分享,很好的书籍,不知道TB有没出售,我也想买几本,如果有中文版就更好了
另,以上这些信息是来自一个国外老收藏家汇聚的网站,专门收集老吉他的相关信息分享,信息量具大,除了有马丁,还有GIBSON、FENDER等品牌,信息也是可靠的,以上内容我只是复制马丁吉他概括性的总结部分,其它分类太多太多了,各个型号的,各个部件的变化过程都有,因数据实在太多了,我只选其中一些常用的来分享,因英文水平不好,如果信息有差异的还请各路朋友更正。

发表于 2018-1-6 17:24:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 乌木弦丁 于 2018-1-6 19:27 编辑



此帖灰常好,对科普马丁吉他历史极有帮助,老哥**购藏了上面的一套两本书。
老哥拿出手头的这部书中关于琴颈加强杆种类的介绍:(不过,这个内容仅是一个大致轮廓而已。更深入的细节讨论在马丁论坛。)

此图中马丁历史上的三种杆:(不含现在正在用的普通型号的“可调节杆”)

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上:乌木杆
中:T形钢杆
下:方管钢杆
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【补充一个Greven《马丁神话》中他对T形钢杆的看法,供参考】:
T形钢杆
存在太多关于这个高强度钢的T形钢杆的大吹大擂,在乌木杆证明了对于重度钢弦来说乌木杆是强度不足的结论之后马丁推出T
杆。再则,如果它真有用,马丁将仍然在使用它,但他们没有。同样的也是真实的,马丁使用几十年不可调钢杆(本人注:指T形钢杆和方管钢杆),他们最后还是用可调杆替换了全部不可调。在这种情况中,长期来说,功能是更重要的。T形钢杆是一个被注意和被放弃的遗迹。它不是一个声音因素,无论是在吉他中还是它本身。












发表于 2018-1-24 09:29:01 | 显示全部楼层
还是有历史的吉他大品牌有保障啊,我在网上买了一把国产手工全单吉他,是看着网上的销量不错和评价没什么差评才买的,后来发现音梁有问题,现在真后悔啊,朋友买琴还是要买有历史品牌的吉他啊
发表于 2018-1-24 09:49:47 | 显示全部楼层
这个很详尽,值得收藏,看的我又想去捡漏1970那些anomaliesD28了哈哈
 楼主| 发表于 2018-1-24 14:46:59 | 显示全部楼层
羊角疯 发表于 2018-1-24 09:49
这个很详尽,值得收藏,看的我又想去捡漏1970那些anomaliesD28了哈哈

谢谢羊角兄

我之前其实也想收把70年代的D18,后来收了把老DM,不过DM很足够了,传说中的廉价D18,看日后有缘份再换70年代D18吧,现在够用了哈

发表于 2018-1-24 22:12:48 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 乌木弦丁 于 2018-1-24 22:21 编辑



看了一下1953年的特殊情况,关于这一点,老美一般说法是:1953年的面板有的是“神秘面板”,可能是德国云杉或英格曼云杉。
另外有些老美也认为1957年有特殊情况,说是马丁档案记载:1957年有的用了 Red spruce。


另,比较重要的配置改变,如下:
1933-1934:
1,新增14品为主流。
2,乌木琴颈加固杆改为T杆。
3,棒状品丝改为T形品丝。
就是说作为战前标配的“两T”出现了。T形品丝现在沿用,所以,“T杆”就是作为战前马丁的象征。


1938:
音梁开始后移。


1939:
颈宽开始从1 3/4改为1 11/16,,当然1939这一年是过度年,是1 23/32,老哥的1939 马丁 0-18就是这个过度年。


1940-1941:
18系的指板和桥有乌木降格为玫瑰木。当时马丁认为是降格,但是其实后来有些玩家们把用于指板和桥的乌木和玫瑰木看作是两种不同的声音风格,没有贵贱之分。后来巴玫限制了稀缺了,所以巴玫反而比
乌木更贵呢娃哈哈

1944:
切削改为不切削。1945-1946为过度年,采用斜坡式音梁。之后改为现在的非切削。


1945:
面板引入Sitka,这样阿迪与Sitka并存。


1946:
面板全面从阿迪改为Sitka。但有一些是4片阿迪。有专家认为:4片阿迪比两片Sitka好,毕竟是阿迪。


之后,除了以下几个动作之外,就木有啥大动作了。
1964:长saddle改为短saddle。
1967年琴颈加固杆从T杆改为方管杆。1985年改为可调杆。


战后,配置变化的基本倾向是:为了降低返修率,逐渐把琴做得越来越厚实,但总的来说声音品质随之下降。所以,基本上可以说,从概率上说,年代越往后,声音就越不好。1970年代是这种情况的一个极端。所以,总体上说,这个年份的琴最不值钱。













补充内容 (2018-1-26 18:13):
更正一下:T杆不是战前马丁的象征,是马丁古董琴的象征,因为1946-1967也是用T杆。
 楼主| 发表于 2018-1-26 15:22:31 | 显示全部楼层
乌木弦丁 发表于 2018-1-24 22:12
看了一下1953年的特殊情况,关于这一点,老美一般说法是:1953年的面板有的是“神秘面板”,可能是德国云 ...

多谢告知相关信息!!!
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