cyberninja 发表于 2007-12-12 10:20:09

"阿尔罕伯拉宫的回忆"结尾的现场处理问题


这是我和一些朋友关于"阿尔罕伯拉宫的回忆"结尾的现场处理问题(观众提前鼓掌)的讨论.
dinga是一位古典吉他演奏家, 到处开音乐会
PERF是一位资深十弦吉他职业演奏家, 到处开音乐会, 包括和管弦乐团合作吉他协奏曲, 出了不少CD
segoviajr则拥有古典吉他学士和硕士学位, 正在到处开音乐会
cyberninja则是一位水平极低的古典吉他业余爱好者

About the cadence of Recuerdos de la Alhambra

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cyberninja:
As you know, the third and second last measurements of Recuerdos de la Alhambra contain a broken and a solid A chord, which are supposed to be play gradually slowly as part of the cadence. However, many audiences who do not familiar with this piece may think the second last measurement is the ending, and they begin the applause before the last measurement is played.

When I attended Pepe Romero's concert with VSO early this year and noticed that thousands of audience started the applause when Pepe reached that measurement. Then, Pepe seemed a bit embarrassed and finished the last measurement quickly in the applause and stood up.

Then in one of my performance last month, I encountered exact the same situation: the audiences began the applause in the second last measurement.

Do you have the similar experiences?

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dinga:
Yes I had experienced the same. I don't remember which performance, but at least two occasions. Actually one time I clapped before the ending of RDLA, and I was quite embarassed.

I felt a difference in recent concerts I tended though. Majority of audience did not start clapping until the performer muted and lift his guitar up, and be ready to stand up to greet the applause.
Some of pieces I knew where was the exact ending, when they were completely over I didn't bother wait until everybody else, and sometimes I was the first one starting clapping.
I guess those who regualary perform RDLA may well know about the issue. I wonder how they cope with such premature clapping.

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PERF
Two ways to do it:

1) I saw John Williams play and the audience applauded in the middle of Asturias. JW then proceeded to shush the audience then right after the piece, launched into a small lecture about when to applaud.

2) David Russell held a dramatic pause within a piece and a single audience member started clapping thinking it was over, which promptly died down as soon as he realized his mistake. David Russell looked up and said smilingly "Well, you can clap if you want". This broke the tension and the whole place applauded. After the applaude, Russell says "And now for the final movement.." then plays.

Personally, I find the 2nd situation more graceful. If people wants to applaud you, just acknowledge it.

However, to help avoid these situations, I usually include a note in the concert program that says "Please hold all applause until the performer acknowledges the audience".

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segoviajr
Best thing is to just smile and quickly look back at the guitar as you are about to play, wait for it to die down then carry on, they will figure it out. Always smile, ALWAYS be gracious, better they clap in the wrong place then toss overly ripe vegetables, yes?

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cyberninja
Interesting replies, last time I actually did what segoviajr said, though I ended the piece in a bit hash...

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吉他怪手 发表于 2007-12-12 12:00:25

cyberninja则是一位水平极低的古典吉他业余爱好者.斑竹谦虚了,我们知道斑竹是一等一的高手.同这些高手在一起不高也得高,近珠者红.

英文看不懂,写中文吧.^13

ioio-monkey 发表于 2007-12-12 12:20:38

版主太谦虚了

别刺激我^19

Il_Trovatore 发表于 2007-12-12 14:03:00

我想,最好的处理方式还是像pepe那样快点弹完了事
不过 像jw那样遇到弹到一半就鼓掌的就比较难办了

无心快语TOM 发表于 2007-12-13 00:38:51

斑看过你很多的录音,竹弹琴很不错啊! 不过偶也懂阴文 看不懂他们说了些什么.

cyberninja 发表于 2007-12-13 02:32:56

翻译见:
http://www.helloba.com/bbs/thread-32615-1-1.html

吴俊霖 发表于 2007-12-13 11:04:26

我经常在思索这个问题,,如果是我演出,我会在倒数第2个高把位A和弦结束后,利用延音的时间,马上伸出I指,对着嘴巴中间,做出一个“嘘。。。。。”的姿势,告诉观众别着急,,然后,埋头深情弹最后一个封闭的A和弦,然后再抬头露出笑容。。。大家应该就会理解了


C哥觉得这个稍微幽默的办法是否偏离了古典吉他演出严肃的氛围?

JiangYing 发表于 2007-12-13 11:43:10


I felt a difference in recent concerts I tended though. Majority of audience did not start clapping until the performer muted and lift his guitar up, and be ready to stand up to greet the applause.


- 哈,我就这么干 :)


2) David Russell held a dramatic pause within a piece and a single audience member started clapping thinking it was over, which promptly died down as soon as he realized his mistake. David Russell looked up and said smilingly "Well, you can clap if you want". This broke the tension and the whole place applauded. After the applaude, Russell says "And now for the final movement.." then plays.


- Classic, loving it!

cyberninja 发表于 2007-12-14 02:31:43

原帖由 吴俊霖 于 2007-12-13 11:04 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
利用延音的时间,马上伸出I指,
有时候忍不住要向鼓掌的人伸出m指....

JiangYing 发表于 2007-12-14 11:58:33

m指代表Dark Force!:)
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